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April 2000 Bulletin - Early Web Edition

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MCCC: A Collector's Club for the Third Millennium

Next Meeting: Tuesday, April 11, 2000

The Montgomery County Coin Club will meet at 7 p.m. on Tuesday, April 11, 2000, at the Silver Spring Senior Citizens Center (1000 Forest Glen Road, Silver Spring, Maryland, USA). The featured event for the meeting will be a workshop on How to Make a Great Exhibit. MCCC experts will discuss the factors that go into a prize-winning numismatic display. If you're interested in showing some of your coins at a major convention, bring them and take part in the workshop --- and even if you're not going to build an exhibit yourself, please come, participate, and learn!

March Report

The main attraction at the March MCCC meeting was a panel discussion by Willy Massey, Simcha Kuritzky, and Kermit Smyth on Buying and Selling Coins via the Internet. See the Featured Article below for further details.

President William C. Massey called the MCCC to order at 7:15 p.m. on the evening of March 14, 2000. A strong crowd of over forty collectors were present, including three Young Numismatists (YNs). Several first-time visitors came to the meeting:

Welcome, and please come again!

General Announcements

Treasurer Simcha Kuritzky reported that the Club's finances were in excellent shape, and that as an experiment a Gold Raffle would be conducted in place of the 50-50 raffle.

Librarian Kermit Smyth announced that the Club's library has over 350 volumes available for members to borrow. The online Catalog of holdings will be updated in months to come, to reflect a dozen or so new acquisitions during the past year.

Door Prizes

The awards for those whose lucky tickets were drawn included: Winners this month were Dennis Bogley, Danny Henderson, and Gerry Bogley.

The Gold Raffle prize was from France, an 1868 ten Franc piece of Napoleon III (mint mark "BB" = Strasbourg) --- an excellent coin, almost 0.1 oz. of gold. The gold raffle was won by Norman Brand. It attracted strong participation, and the Club will continue to offer this raffle in months to come.

The Bison Chip drawing winner was President Willy Massey; this is his second "leg" toward the three needed to win a proof silver eagle. (Note: you must be present to win!)

Other Announcements

Be sure to Pay Your Dues! --- since the MCCC Y2k mailing list purge will begin soon. You have been warned!

The Maryland State Numismatic Association (MSNA) is holding a Convention on the Memorial Day weekend. The Association will release a 1932-S quarter into circulation before the show, with a $100 reward going to the finder who turns it in.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) has only 305 $20 star notes left for sale. The BEP will have a lottery to decide who gets one among those who order.

April Showcase Displays

MCCC exhibits this month included:

Feature Attraction: Panel Discussion on "Buying and Selling Coins via the Internet"

The March MCCC meeting featured a three-part presentation concerning online auctions and numismatics. Willy Massey introduced the subject, Kermit Smyth talked from the buyer's perspective, and Simcha Kuritzky discussed the seller's side and his experiences.

Introduction

President Willy Massey explained that Internet auction sites such as Ebay do not hold items --- they just facilitate buyer meeting seller. He described some of the ways to check the reputation of a buyer and seller, and showed printouts of Ebay pages, down through the numismatic hierarchy of categories. Willy said that pictures are often included by sellers, and that bidding is easy, just a matter of filling out a form

Buyer's Side

Kermit Smyth told of his personal experiences since October 1999 in buying coins on the Internet. Although there are over 45,000 coins currently listed on Ebay, in some cases this is only about 40% of the total available for purchase on the Web. Kermit uses a site called "Bidder's Edge" to search for listings and to manage his bids. He also does direct surveys of the categorized auctions on Ebay, Yahoo, and Amazon. Dr. Smyth typically doesn't bother bidding on items if they don't have a scanned-in image, since grading is so highly variable.

Of 21 completed online purchases, Kermit rated 9 as "A" (good values or bargains), 7 as "B" (fair prices on desirable items), but 5 were "F" --- things that turned out not to be what he wanted or what they appeared to be. Some pieces have hairline scratches or other defects that don't show up on the scanned picture, for instance. This is perhaps five or more times the error rate that he would have experienced for in-person purchases.

In response to questions, Kermit underscored the importance of reading and understanding the return policy of a seller, and of studying the reliability/honesty feedback rating of the person with whom you are dealing. Kermit described his own procedures for tracking the closing times of auctions. In many cases, he prefers to wait until the last minute (literally!) to bid, so as not to reveal interest in an item prematurely. He tends to avoid competing for material which has already attracted a lot of bids. Kermit puts in many of his final bids within the last 15-45 seconds of an auction, but if he cannot be present during the critical concluding moments he sometimes enters conditional bids.

When he wins an auction, Kermit exchanges email with the seller, establishes the correct amount of postage and insurance fees to send, and sends messages before, during, and after the transaction is finished. He has not experienced any outright dishonesty on the Internet, but he does tend to avoid sellers with any negative comments in their history.

Dr. Smyth has less experience on other Internet auction sites, though he has bid on items in the Amazon and Yahoo listings, and has made a small number of successful purchases there. He finds that a simple personal check, and shipment via regular mail, is quite appropriate. Insurance is wise to buy for more expensive items.

Kermit's Advice

Another Viewpoint

Simcha Kuritzky talked about his experiences in Internet buying and selling, which differ in several ways from those of Kermit Smyth. Mr. Kuritzky has bid on over 350 items since September 1999 and has purchased at least 100. These have tended to be "cheap and strange" (his words!) --- unique or idiosyncratic items, rather than high-grade numismatic material.

Simcha has developed complex and sophisticated search strategies to find the pieces he wants to bid on. He discussed how he has "bookmarked" his boolean search patterns (AND/OR/NOT combinations of terms) for easy reuse. He tends to look at 200-400 items during two sessions per week, and avoids last-minute bidding. He sorts items by date of listing, rather than date of auction termination, so as to quickly spot new listings without having to revisit previously-examined items.

Of the items Mr. Kuritzky has purchased, most cost less than $5. At times he mails cash, particularly to foreign countries where check conversion fees are excessive on small amounts. Only once has he lost any money. Simcha considers this practice "self-insurance", and finds it works well.

Mr. Kuritzky's sales on Ebay have also worked out fine. He lists items without reserve prices, starting at the minimum amount which he would be willing to accept. In all cases, bidding has gone up from there. Due to technical difficulties, he has not yet been able to scan in and upload images; this has perhaps been a small handicap.

Simcha's Advice

Auction & Aftermath

After the feature talk and a break for refreshments, Don McKee and Ken Swab ran the monthly club auction. The meeting was adjourned at 9:22 p.m.
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